tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7779074379828849182024-02-20T10:33:55.195+00:00DIY loft conversion ++ cost, trials, tribulations and triumphsAs I've gone down this long and winding road of my own DIY Loft Conversion, I've been confronted with challenges in design, planning (building regs), construction, materials, skills, time, money and living in the house at the same time. This record is for myself, anyone interested, and those who might benefit from the knowledge of my experiences. If you would like more details about my DIY Loft Conversion please leave a comment.Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-85567819790992285862011-09-06T21:33:00.004+01:002011-09-06T21:43:42.132+01:00Finally finishing off the Landing CeilingIt has been a few years now and it's about time I finally finished the last few bits. The last major job was to take down the old, damages lathe and plaster ceiling on the landing. So I can fit the sun tunnel and fire alarm on to new plasterboard.<br /><br /><div><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 310px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5649348809193605970" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWXCZaT5LEcL78vSVGXeJELCmxNCHr4mA6YETyM-_AhBF1wCAGf8TIFGBU1eu0PjIlm0L-OAkJ79JB22fZca_PiKYcjBRE_IpvID0VMC56GY0Ln2fD1PMRd3i2yO_KRTwHXRW9KUg2C3w/s400/ceiling+pull+down.jpg" /><br /><br /><div>It's quite a quick job to rip down but the clearing up and cleaning up after wards is a huge task.</div><br /><br /><br /><div></div><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 295px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5649349540460827666" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiV2vQnpQq9AayOhQ6l9qPOFr7iUKhJvmQjXi0G8JJkJCIeC9n7q0dO0ClP-FkF7KNmWbMUZqa25NLBQvPBX-T-pKIsExewT0H6lsX6jpmlG4DjJaMaAnbRBHuzRT5GGukUA8CXjCNsmu0/s400/mucky+job.jpg" /><br />The rest of it should be a bit cleaner.<br /><br /><br /><div></div><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><div></div><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><div></div></div>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-16307278170832015072009-10-22T17:40:00.004+01:002011-03-14T18:36:57.560+00:00Other Extreme DIY - after the Loft ConversionAnother project just being born, after a long pregnancy.<br />I'm now going to be covering what I'm up to at <a href="http://www.idostuff.co.uk/">http://www.idostuff.co.uk/</a> and a blog at <a href="http://www.idostuff.co.uk/blogs">www.iDoStuff.co.uk/blogs</a> . At this stage it's not not fully formed but I can't stop the delivery now. "Nurse, the <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">forceps quick!</span>"Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-2663041572453127482009-09-15T15:12:00.006+01:002011-03-14T18:37:31.586+00:00Why I've not finished the loft conversion yet!It's a problem I have, biting off a bit more than I can chew. Starting a new project before I've finished the last. Since January I've been masticating this house.... <div><br /><div></div><br /><div><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfOpE0uGLMle8bRTbBdWoKsKbbtkT03EnnBJvxW4kW5FuYYkOOHaOlvmrIRWevF-xMfjEmPPu4a9yFv2ysSlRjtPeKNFD-1Wpx5b7h28VtrJm5g3JD86KqeaBae4ukgcf8x8kjE6seCQs/s1600-h/2+cross+before.jpg"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 320px; FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 242px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5381697823379229538" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfOpE0uGLMle8bRTbBdWoKsKbbtkT03EnnBJvxW4kW5FuYYkOOHaOlvmrIRWevF-xMfjEmPPu4a9yFv2ysSlRjtPeKNFD-1Wpx5b7h28VtrJm5g3JD86KqeaBae4ukgcf8x8kjE6seCQs/s320/2+cross+before.jpg" /></a> </div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div>... and turning it into this</div><br /><div></div><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 385px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5381699135791556578" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsNMDe8IlbmFiK0uj0yaGR9QdNghe30fBcUD1kqUgqw5haKKub1yvjEbmA016rf3L5WM85lqMoja609YXaVLFulBf5rfw0583kqkFKtpPUiSbh0rA2jaXdnuwuC8ZOdiHyJCKZhVqpmQM/s400/2+cross+after.jpg" /><br /><div>It was bargin at auction but has needed a lot of work, I'll detail what I've done elsewhere. Anyway it's about done now, the first viewing has resulted in a tenant so I can move on.</div><div></div><div>On the big TO DO LIST. finish off the loft conversion, landing ceiling, sun tunnel, smoke alarm staining and varnishing and finally get the Building Control sign off. Plus the Sliding Sash windows, plus earning some money, plus everything else I've been neglecting. </div></div>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com14tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-79838221780046528522009-01-02T16:55:00.009+00:002011-03-14T18:38:02.479+00:00Nearly finished the Loft joineryWell I missed the Christmas dealine to finish the loft conversion but I put in some hours between Christmas and New Year.<br /><br /><br />The Landing Banister and and one streach of hand rail up the the stairs is fitted and looking good. I've finally unwrapped the newel turning just so I can stand back and admire the handiwork.<br /><br /><p><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 266px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5286742734619188194" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1Cj_JmiqWGvQ4SqyKChpIcwWTPzG3h1HS6_pXTrVyAyeYTc_kuqlUdb_e8rqDxAKypSMPhQaChyphenhyphenCUrw-YW_jG1RSwsNSYJvpQCl5Hl9YCaV_LWPUgxhK0lzbkDK8bhFo3RZo3TCdswQI/s400/034+Banister.jpg" />I've got a run of 7 spindles and handrail to go, hopefully this weekend. It's a tricky one as I've got to cut the handrail with a compound angle at both ends.</p><p>The other bit I wanted to finish was the shelves to create our pompus sounding library. The uprights I had finished a while back are made from one of the old pulins I took out. All the rest is new timber I've had aclimatisin for ages. As always it took longler than I expected. This was due to walls and purlin not being perfectly square. Each shelf is individually shaped so it all lines up.</p><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 266px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 400px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5286744863022502290" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdUcgGgMKoVcvpThc-XQZnZzb4TQg0ekI4nZZ8kxncwk9HopRTdLr07WLkhA-oCgWQ00iPeRTAJ-LezbpkkSdDm_Yxkn9JbqBQe8hKHeTJNyM2PWv3OuVScBIjo_RR4wSxQiQgb0zRtwE/s400/035+Shelves.jpg" /><br /><p>So with a lot of sanding then finshing it will be complete. However this will have to wait as we've bought another project house to do up that will keep me busy for a few months.</p><p></p><p><br /></p>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-91315816440569481502008-12-12T10:22:00.006+00:002011-03-14T18:38:28.560+00:00A little progress on the loft conversionThe spindles should be delivered this weekend and now I can see the finish in sight. I've started making the shelves for the landing area. However time is running short, with another house to do up due in January, finishing the Loft stairs etc. is going to have to go on hold. I'm determined to get the bulk of it done before Christmas...<br /><br />These Christmas deadlines keep cropping up.Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-18560667691302642162008-11-27T13:09:00.005+00:002010-07-16T10:16:15.548+01:00Sprial Stair for Loft Spindle turning priceI've ordered the 25 spindles in hemlock. Total price inc. delivery and Vat £195.<br />Not much dearer than the local chap but it leaves me with 25 planed up blanks in redwood sitting doing nothing. Oh well, I live and learn.<br /><br />Let me know If you want details of my supplier that can get the turning done on a copy lathe.Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-78038630304173479492008-11-25T15:24:00.005+00:002011-03-14T18:38:48.023+00:00Alternative spindle turning for spiral stairsI went to see the chap about the spindle turning. I think he's not so keen on doing 25, however he's put me on to local stairparts place who can now send a spindle out to someone with a copy lathe. I should get price for these tomorrow for doing in hemlock and for using the blanks I've already got.Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-44507770619661568472008-11-19T12:08:00.004+00:002011-03-14T18:39:34.752+00:00Come OnToday I am going to vist the man about turning. There, I've said it so now I've set a deadline and it will happen.<br /><br />Also, I've just found a photo of the side of the stairs with the panneling on.<br /><br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 241px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 400px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5270340411527240898" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1G9y5OSB-OnkDpBYvF5y5XgKG19xcDmR3_-YO1wPbe1ANzPI3jCl45VIkINrUjCs4is-ER9ItawEOxvh_Em24kkAM5aSlSIavQCXf72fHfXiTmG6syB-rVpFFRfT6wNISSLRKju_swR4/s400/spiral+stairs.jpg" /><br />Motivation is what I need !Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-53366365873926136462008-10-14T18:40:00.002+01:002008-10-14T18:45:18.234+01:00Note to get off my arse.I need to go and see the man about turning the spindles. He can be getting on with these as I'm working on the windows. It's always a stumbling block for me, when I have to use others help.<br /><br />Now there's a thought the spindle turning will cost me about £150. If I could get hold of a second hand wood lathe...hmmAndy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-90921941040749982122008-10-07T13:36:00.004+01:002010-07-16T09:38:12.918+01:00Tandem projects sprial stairs & Sash windowsProgress on finish the stairs has come to a halt. I'm waiting for my man with lathe to recover from an ankle injury so he can turn the spindles for me. The timber is prepared and ready to go but he's not rung me yet.<br /><br />In the mean time, the first of the Box sliding sash windows is taking shape. I'm recording progress on this in extreme detail so I can follow my blog and make another 7.<br /><br />If anyone is interested have a look at <a href="http://slidingsash.blogspot.com/">http://slidingsash.blogspot.com/</a>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-67335284585117788532008-09-29T12:18:00.010+01:002011-03-14T18:39:59.631+00:00Loft Landing Area - the forgotten zoneThe Loft Landing area is going to be last bit to finish. It will be a really interesting space when its done. The space under the <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-error"><span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-error"><span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-error">purlin</span></span></span> is a large cupboard area. The doors I've fitted are recycled from Wendy's mums old kitchen. After about five years down our cellar (I knew they would come in handy for something) they needed some drying out and some tightening up.<br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5251403064367660226" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjTVqY4fwp3xL4PqlRU-b9BTNPjV8QdT2iRWK1rmBff8CZ5AWaYx9jcQKA79HATf9zXpk7k9qT_bmJe9gm_XtO5RKCvsKm9mfmVRd6SgTfD34QqGdGWLeb_43Zp4fL8Y5hxACeX56U9WXs/s400/032+landing+area.jpg" />The pile of wood in the picture is <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_1" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">acclimatising</span>, it has been for months now and will be for a few months more. It will eventually make book shelves that form the rest of the cupboard front and round on to the party wall. We'll then be able to <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_2" class="blsp-spelling-error">pretentiously</span> call the landing area, our library.<br /><br />It looks like the new windows are going to come first, but when in gets cold in the garage I might make a start.Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-51480531151475051352008-09-29T12:04:00.006+01:002011-03-14T18:40:20.641+00:00Loft spiral Stairs -Date carving for PosterityJust above the door under the Stairs I needed to have a <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">panel</span> to cover an <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_1" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">unusable</span> bit space. Rather than a plain bit of timber, I thought it was good place to have reminder of the build. Who knows, future generations may might find it interesting.<br /><br />So with my surname "Bell" and the year, I spent a few hours on a design, another hour or so practicing then I carved this.<br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5251399797365632050" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0nYfcvn6Rwdtkci-PoWqt0ebCC93mMejx7u_YyS6OmJeMmyLLX2I8r1nqoLeMPgbAwJbxTHabGoRftdFfk4dnhYN5OsMAk_VeM23eR_VBvBC6GDRNn-R0ZOn5AN-10-yOK0nNmIkz3iE/s400/033+date+carving.jpg" /><br /><br /><p></p><p>I used a <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_2" class="blsp-spelling-error">Bosche</span> electric chisel. It's very satisfying to use and produces a good clean cut. It took about 1 1/2 hours to cut. <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_3" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">I'd</span> be <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_4" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">concerned</span> about hand-arm vibration if I was to use it for extended periods.</p>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-71239026892212651882008-09-29T11:53:00.005+01:002011-03-14T18:40:44.955+00:00Sprial stairs with cupboard underneathHaving got rid of the airing cupboard, we've missed having somewhere to but the laundry basket and that bit of extra storage. The space under the stairs I've used by build a side to staircase, and now I've fitted the door.<img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5251395587532739458" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhV6W8hILvEBZjEhOhMjqCrv1aNhYyazwACKmogVu46YauaKTod2tMW5JyaorCtoBkRiZXabFvqxNxj64oIQA_ay16YRRypBAlIsPMx0X0GkYqNxR4rPR0ddMcbppIVeQbOWxwUHuWr07g/s400/031+stairs+cupboard.jpg" />The door is traditional construction with wedged mortice and tennon joints. The pannels are fitted into rebates and mouldings applied to the outside face. It's worked out very nicely and it look like I'll be making a new front door sometime in futue.<br /><br />I've yet to fit the cupboard out with some shelves but it's already filling up with spare bedding etc.<br /><div></div>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-84985951894895557012008-09-26T11:32:00.003+01:002009-10-30T15:16:15.037+00:00Total DIY loft conversion costing so farI've posted a link to this blog on a forum <a href="http://www.ebuild.co.uk/forums/messages/774/12685.html?1222424910">www.ebuild.co.uk/forums/messages/774/12685.html?1222424910</a> . a few people interested in the costing so:<br /><br />Fairly accurate costing for DIY 16m2 loft conversion room with 4m2 landing area<br /><br />Not counting the complete new roof in slate with breathable membrane done by a contractor, cost including supply and fitting of steels and installation of velux £6000 plus vat. I’ve included the material cost of steels and velux.<br /><br /><br />4 velux, 3 off 1140 x 1180, 1 being escape spec, 1 off 780 x 980 - £1188<br />Rockwool Flexi to bring fire resistance of lathe and plaster ceilings up to spec - £322<br />Chicken wire to support above - £80<br />Celcon blocks, sand cement for fire wall to neighbours -£191<br />Steels UB’s 230x90x32kg/m PFC 1off 4900mm 1 off 4000mm - £150 est.<br />Joist hangers - £47<br />Timber for structural and stud walls - £265<br />Radiator and various hardware - £298<br />Chipboard flooring P5 grade plus some PSE - £157<br />Kingspan for roof and ashlar - £348<br />Kingspan drylining K17 for brick walls - £305<br />More assorted hardware - £162<br />Electric, cable and high spec fittings - £180 est<br />Timber for stairs - £450 est<br />Plaster board - £129<br />Skirting and architrave - £99<br />Skim Plaster, bead and plasterer for 2 days - £165<br />Assorted other bits and bobs - £120 est<br />1/2hr fire door and frame - £122<br />Flooring Oak veneered laminate, underlay, edging -£332<br />Estimate of others, eg. smoke alarms, paint, lost receipts - £300<br /><br />Structural engineers calcs - £264<br />Building control submission - £130<br />Building control inspection - £283<br />Electric certification - £80<br />(all work under supervision of electrician (father in-law)<br /><br />If I’ve missed anything obvious let me know.<br /><br />Total cost - £6167Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-68423831132322942562008-09-15T19:02:00.006+01:002011-03-14T18:41:08.125+00:00Paneling on the side of the spiral staircaseThe <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">paneling</span> hides all the ply wood I used and is designed to match as much as possible the existing stairs.<br />I've been working on this stage for a while now. It took me ages to finally order the timber, I order all I needed for shelves that are going in the landing area and for the sliding sash windows I'll be making next. I cut the timber to approximate size and left it stacked up on the landing for a couple months to season and <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_1" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">acclimatise</span>.<br />Hopefully nothing will <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_2" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">shrink</span> and show up. I've allowed for movement of the wide boards and the <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_3" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">panels</span>.<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFwWgE_5fFEehIck4fsagVYE42IKSfxAdy8MCqimrfpmYh3TBaquH9rPvbdcNPCuy8mxFj1VZdhWTTSXaRvnfauj9cqEETlMu1sp8SZVdllWfWW2YQVVaWPHxMRS30_yqP_sGWEsZ7LFk/s1600-h/030+stairs+panneling.jpg"><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246310677657929810" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFwWgE_5fFEehIck4fsagVYE42IKSfxAdy8MCqimrfpmYh3TBaquH9rPvbdcNPCuy8mxFj1VZdhWTTSXaRvnfauj9cqEETlMu1sp8SZVdllWfWW2YQVVaWPHxMRS30_yqP_sGWEsZ7LFk/s400/030+stairs+panneling.jpg" /></a> One part that did stump me for a while was how to make the <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_4" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">panels</span> thin enough. I ended up sawing by hand 250mm wide boards and finished them with a belt sander. It would have been easier if my <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_5" class="blsp-spelling-error">thicknesser</span> took <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_6" class="blsp-spelling-error">more</span> than 200mm. With some time end effort they came out OK at about 6mm and flat enough on the <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_7" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">visible</span> side.<br /><br />If I'd had worked out how much moulding I needed to finish of the <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_8" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">paneling</span> I would have invested in a bit for the router. At around £7 for 2.4m from Wickes its <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_9" class="blsp-spelling-corrected">extortionate</span>.<br /><div></div>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-16080791227077523192008-09-11T10:28:00.003+01:002011-03-14T18:41:42.197+00:00The Loft Conversion Finished RoomWith a set of stairs to the DIY loft conversion now in all I needed was the final decorating and the Half Hour fire door fitting.<br /><br />Fitting the door was is just like a normal door but with three hinges, and I've done plenty of those in the past. The only problem was cutting a corner off to match the ceiling slope. It is a solid timber core door but the cut went through the hardwood edging. I routed out about about 15mm and set in a new piece. The brush seal that came with the frame didn't fit the slot so I had to open it out. On this door I used a real "Pergo" hidden closer, which I must say is much better quality than the other versions I've used in the rest of the house. You cant hear the chain as it pulled back into the barrel.<br /><br />Some picture of the finished room a few days before Emma moved in, it's never been tidy since.<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjF7X3ntlHp9Qc1fJeHn5o6ugUuWPiy_7K3pruuOQwnVZ7d-MHAe5TH1xSXZScQPemTz5KzwuazrBq1nsn3PBXylgQVpZ4r1ZRTJBLa_O_mEbs8Vu9UQjudePppDVe_15RfTJNZ_nY0Ck8/s1600-h/029+finished.jpg"><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244693887193898834" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjF7X3ntlHp9Qc1fJeHn5o6ugUuWPiy_7K3pruuOQwnVZ7d-MHAe5TH1xSXZScQPemTz5KzwuazrBq1nsn3PBXylgQVpZ4r1ZRTJBLa_O_mEbs8Vu9UQjudePppDVe_15RfTJNZ_nY0Ck8/s400/029+finished.jpg" /></a><br /><br /><div><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi2e6TqRBzEqONiuiKy-76e4Zn45q7dZV-zTK3DoVVQBOhwj9VgBorCbcSnm5e-5xiFO7DOfFRyCJ8dK1lyl8_uZ8b4379CFNzWedNaoF13l7b-UprQPK49-Ma9eqOVCCAIZCRTQUWJt9A/s1600-h/028+finished.jpg"><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244693713292721090" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi2e6TqRBzEqONiuiKy-76e4Zn45q7dZV-zTK3DoVVQBOhwj9VgBorCbcSnm5e-5xiFO7DOfFRyCJ8dK1lyl8_uZ8b4379CFNzWedNaoF13l7b-UprQPK49-Ma9eqOVCCAIZCRTQUWJt9A/s400/028+finished.jpg" /></a><br /><br /><br /><div><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKIXLRlnMvzQrQYMfG0JJA342DsHzDwETwySnb1Pmizccxtxwt3GyyXLIdkNotR4WKJT0XTrEU0qjr23WBSj5hhQoJCIQ7GqWC2Yr5KmyCiQLetw6QWXsdszXurhR5rLabyb_kmQr-tRw/s1600-h/027+finished.jpg"><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244693564044970210" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKIXLRlnMvzQrQYMfG0JJA342DsHzDwETwySnb1Pmizccxtxwt3GyyXLIdkNotR4WKJT0XTrEU0qjr23WBSj5hhQoJCIQ7GqWC2Yr5KmyCiQLetw6QWXsdszXurhR5rLabyb_kmQr-tRw/s400/027+finished.jpg" /></a> The deep window ledge allows the window to be positioned far enough down the roof to meet building regulations for the fire escape (The loft conversions regulations have changes since). The bottom of the window opening being 1.8m from the edge of the roof.<br /><br /><br /><br /><div></div></div></div>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-24074607975983263032008-09-10T17:31:00.002+01:002011-03-14T18:42:02.633+00:00Next part of spiral stair constructionFitting the centre post was simple. I first fitted an off cut of the 100 x 100mm timber into the floor with half joints in to three joists to spread the load. The notches in the joists are only 700mm from the wall and the joints are tight so I wasn't worried about weakening the floor. The bottom of the centre column is bolted on to it. The column at the attic floor level is mortice and tenoned to the end of a floor joist I had left sticking out.<br /><br />I wish I could find the pictures I had taken at this stage, but thats the down side of digital pictures. I think the camera was borrowed and the card wiped before I'd transferred them.<br /><br />The next pictures should give an idea of the construction methods used. I screwed stringers on to each of the two walls, after some final measuring. Then made the the side/stringer that goes over the existing stairs. This fits on to the other vertical post I put up. Followed by the last two bits of stringer. All of the stringer are flat, no recess or grooves to take the risers or treads. All these I cut from 18mm Birch Ply, its good to cut with a smooth edge, no voids and should finish well for painting.<br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244436602675902578" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhrf1MrUWODzrPbKtW9ZhCmTNALaLmyhye-d-CuiJgmnBTxvvK3FYasmpHz3-OsN7-DbTZe6GKBRlJQEzkZGxtvYfiZ9TGc56Bw2dWdRSpwu9c4UOUw6iO_fz-zAxK7LVgAdQH_753WmOE/s400/025+steps.JPG" /><br /><p>The risers and treads are cut from the same ply, 3 off 8x4 sheet in total. The risers needed cutting at an angle to meet the stringers and the inside ends fitted in the slots of the column. On the wall stringers I shaped brackets out of ply and screwd and glued them on to suit. The other risers are screwed and glued directly on the outer stringers.</p><br /><p>The steps are individually cut to fit. Almost every one tricky to mark out because of the number of angles. But seeing it go up one step at time kept me going and I eventually got to the top.</p><br /><p><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244445844234180626" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfuXWhuz2ryBx40cO09wUg65NM9AEUzu6Y57hfhtGygX-6hM18QUnKw-Uj28Nlo3UB0a_FywgxFtA7p0wCfLAvGpfrkq1N9AJNTGvKTeGt02Pwskq50UFfLwtH88Xzbmzg9FUpRxc0j6Q/s400/026+view+down.JPG" /><br /></p>If any one wants to know more about how I built these, please leave a comment. It took me ages to figure out the construction method to suit my skills, a minimum of tools and materials availability.Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-8308168300675378212008-08-15T20:00:00.002+01:002011-03-14T18:42:30.206+00:00Spiral stair central column - a once in a lifetime experianceThis was one of those challanges I like to prove I can do, but am glad I only have to do once.<br /><br />The design calls for a central timber that the stairs can fix on to. BUT I wanted it to look good and so did Wendy. Therfore:<br /><br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234824286556422962" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCBkEyRR-o9mSGDiyWalXi1k_LLO833rlrINrn3vci_J644t5HCIPYTDc_SSJeJZs0YPwaMkZcoeSD8R8PnmBb2VEZbaK4Nr50hFA00v5-KfEwamm1kTwWvgzwKzZHk7TyPbo34qhDLd0/s400/020+column.JPG" /><br />Thirteen slots to take the risers need to be cut in the square post 100 x 100mm at exactly the right angle. After much designing I made a jig to take my router, by unbolting and moving the matal slider frame round the pre-drilled holes I could get the right angles. The carrier for the router fitted both ways in the frame and was sized so that turning it through 180 degrees gave me the right width of slot. The frame was sized to give the length of slot with screws in the router carrier for fine adjustment.<br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234826408767864754" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiPu6eHpnftdiVv0_giKUnUO0drpvOEXdQAgbok-eL0H1m1JZ8dmHpdzu_xwhhplWJENHaaCPHf-woK7nO6VWpgjz4ODkBsJ_MTJjh8KzoAmzVLGk-z0n7peoqUiYyWFNTdpriAPZGiR9o/s400/021+column.JPG" /><br /><br /><br /><p>It worked a treat.</p><p>Next I wanted an Acorn on the top to match the existing newels. None are available off the shelf so how to make one? and do really want to just stick one on the top. </p><p>NO make a 14 foot long lathe</p><br /><p><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234827968623301442" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhrm5AVdGlPkPEweQxURYo0mmNIfLqqcHY-H18D0q48evcWR35i-gV_eeU88w6sryU-e3xK0JF6NwiTwv5hI9fvhr6aWC3SLB4S6IXm8CcyrysDJPgnmMqZzhXxcF8BWkxfBsIA__QoIdg/s400/022+column.JPG" /></p><br />By using a router to do the cutting I don't need to spin the timber fast. So one pivot on the garage door and another on the Workmate, a jig for the router and I'm all tooled up. Almost<br /><br /><br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234827663184757938" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgI5vansvZPvxFX7N1pLzGyoaSuxTYGeAHVSaF4FiVIIgO4lE_YaYh-VXzZcvJ3nYMkq-DxB8kgsPTCe7BTIyZsAS5SUQzfSWEkjjDjM44OdHeQNs089KjQ4DTOR1AjSAZp-W4bRWRB7qY/s400/023+column.JPG" /><br /><br />Spining by hand is a little tricky while guiding the router so I made it into a foot operated pole lathe, with a motorbike inner tube as the return and tensioner a piece of rope and a bit wood for the treadle.<br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234829854253011410" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFDq62WEdoNPjtuLFKsxDq9Jc5hjCvpXcg_H-JDaTD_UCxWB5mAnKF5Nqc1JNN83z8xg1fEjzpaPL1CbyVg6mmc1UPAej6i3IS22YYBYznuxt4Y4LhtYoydmbqzu0Ejhyh1r9i-O8crcM/s400/024+column.JPG" /><br /><p>I was enjoying it so much I carried on and turned the complete newel.</p>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-87027002502823989372008-08-15T19:36:00.002+01:002011-03-14T18:43:08.398+00:00Stairs - not the easiest design and harder constructionI set of spiral stairs has bee a fantasy of mine since childhood. So spiral stairs up to the loft conversionis was always on the cards. But bought ones would look naff in our house. The design brief was starting to come together.<br /><br />Sprial Staircase, matching the existing stairs and meeting building regs.<br /><br /><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234818218380225426" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiXcuI4WSDYL8wfc9Yi9PdTMbScI6aLuW48SO3cNcMB7iAvs70rTaFsvjx1FM_seX7Oqf-_X9KmVx2h81SO-0Vjzsq393xLf6G4wmA-74-tlQsGBiDRNF4kQq_0xElUarvO_cYzgXAOUDs/s400/018+attic+stairs.jpg" /><br /><br /><p>This is first visual sketch after many elevations etc. prior to the final designs and full research into Building regs and a trip to library to consult the British Standards.</p><p>The regs and standard basically say its OK if you can get down it withou falling over and if you do fall, you dont fall far (and gives minimum measurements) and its not going to colapse. Ask if your intrested in more details.</p><p>The plan consits of a Sprial stair or you could call it four kite winders. Two sides having banisters and spindle matching the existing stairs. Two sides with streachers against the existing walls one side over the existing stairs panneled to match in timber. This gives us a cupboard space underneath to keep the wash basket etc.</p><p>The proper plans drawn up where aproved no problem.</p><p>Now to the building to the build of the staircase so it coinsides with the room being finished in time for christmas.</p>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-90100382346441821672008-08-15T19:03:00.003+01:002011-03-14T18:43:38.489+00:00Electrics and negotions with Central Networks for a PMEThis is a saga I'll condense, it could be useful for anyone else in the same position. I did loads of internet searching and found it crops up quite a bit. On this occasion I won and got the result I wanted.<br /><br />The electrics for the loft have to be certified for the Building regs approval. The testing includes an Earth continuty reading at the consumer board - a ZE reading, this was too high to pass. Our system is a TNS, this relies on an earth supplied by the supply company. Ours had an earth strap bonded to the outer sheath of the incoming mains cable.<br />Two ways to rectify this<br />1. Fit a earth spike and have an RCB - not always reliable as the quality of the earth depends on the moisture content of the ground.<br />2. Fit a PME that uses the Neutral supply as Earth - The supply company has to fit this and wanted to charge £75.<br /><br />Me not happy, my Electrician believed its the responsiblity of the supplier, and 17th edition regs backs his opinion.<br /><br />Lots of negative/ blocking tactis from central networks lead me to get a case started with Energywatch. I then got escalated to specialist customer services team and my own very nice but not technically minded young lady to talk to.<br /><br />After many calls and two visist from engineers I was still getting nowhere. The engineers just tested the supply and said its fine and I could apply for a PME to be fitted. I eventually got a goodwill gesture of a half price PME.<br /><br />No Deal. I started getting tchnical again and explained they changed the wiring in road years back and fitted the rest of the street with PME, they missed us out and had left us with a potentially dngerous supply for the last 20 years. "Before privatization, thats not our responsibility" yeah that line didn't last long. I then got to talk to an engineering manager who understood the problem'ish.<br />He visted, had a look and without admitting liablity, fitted a PME in about twenty minutes to shut me up and close the case.<br /><br />So persistance paid off, they could have done it earlier and saved us all alot of time and their expense.<br /><br />Electrics where plain sailing after that, using a supply cable (from a previous shower instalation) to a two breaker box, one for sockets and one for lights. All works and up to spec.Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-68933076588342288382008-08-15T18:06:00.002+01:002011-03-14T18:44:09.050+00:00The Finish Straight loft conversionNot a sprint finish more of a fast marathon. As a result I didn't stop to take many photos. The only interesting bits where cladding the the wood between the double window and making the window ledge seat.<br /><br />And the door to the storage part of the loft.<br /><br /><p><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234793668721261074" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6iL15yTySQ-OJ4_40bkra2Ay1x2Q5oQPZgoy0GkdPoK2rx_me6Aoytob0HxUm-89p3Miz8DkmXR9gD9gGprdCCmWDRmuwjdWJtxSeqUFWeuVsHaCwLRQbSAzc-TNy60goHeG65J3h-m4/s400/016+plastering.JPG" />This is 50mm thick timber planed and edge glued to make a board. I fitted cross pieces on the back with slotted screw holes to acount for movement and keep it straight. It did fit beautifully, but it didn't 3 months latter. The timber has now shrunk across the width by over half an inch. Its still straight but I'll have to add some on at the hindge side so the latck will engage. Oh Well its all a learning curve, and now I've got piles of wood stacked up in the house to aclimatize and fininsh seasoning for the next prodjects.</p><p>Skirting Board, achitraves, door fitting, painting, varnishing and fitting flooring - all easy stuff but time consuming. Being a loft conversions there's a lot of angles.</p><p>Loft Electrics would have been simple - next post.</p><p>And some stairs and the room was habitable<br /></p>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-62155689813545935012008-08-15T17:47:00.003+01:002011-03-14T18:44:30.487+00:00Getting Plastered - Plastering the loft conversionThis is where I cheated. I now how long it takes me to plaster, so I asked around and found a local chap who would charge me £60 per day and take 2 days to do it. His other plus point was he could fit me in within two weeks.<br /><br />To get that price I had to fit all the corner edge beading and buy all the materials. No problems.<br /><br /><br /><p><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234788772462761730" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieNUvGCi0ExB3za1GnyZm-rPLmdcw-y58_VnQoZ7BpFrcBDRSXyxKXweesj2yATq1VMwsXKVbvkC0-J8L1Ee29zOOWGUXnuXTVE-kL1zw5u5rj3HwGHPJmuh8Da_lKFlZaILoct4T1A6k/s400/017+plastering.JPG" /> For my loft conversion it took : 5 bags of Finish plaster , three rolls of sticky backed skim, many cups of tea and two days on the job. He did a great job for the price, so for a change I was happy with a trades man.</p>Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-51914975776942563572008-08-15T17:24:00.003+01:002011-03-14T18:44:48.795+00:00Plaster Boarding the Loft ConversionI've not been abducted, I am still trying to finish this attic off, I have been doing bits - but slowly and I've not been keeping this blog up to date. In my defence I've started other projects and keeping busy.<br /><br />So to plaster board. A pallet full delivered of the tail lift by Travis Perkins, in the road and rail, so I had to carry it all in and its heavy. Should be a two man job with the 8' x 4' sheets but I managed without it getting too wet and with little traffic disruption. I did enlist help getting it all up stairs to loft.<br /><br /><br />Fitting it is fun puzzle as I calculated quite precisely what I needed to have minimum joints. It eventually came together with very little scrap. Its fixed with plaster board screws 70mm on the loft ceiling to go through the insulation to the rafters.<br /><br /><br /><br />TIP. Don't hold the screw with bare fingers whilst drill driving. Your thumb and forefinger will be full of tiny metal splitters.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><p><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234784635141335298" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7FwyvgvusgGHaAZhrXR1aJLfOzrf6AHyQGm9zr8ylJoo7-mBqhztTbsBth2VRuaQs4n7w5Pgvutzq6svjJ7TZHutm7Y4DcwO4TzhVyH2m7Xyg8M8DXwRC6dhpmBwATyRx22RUbqzCrIM/s400/014+plaster+board.JPG" /><br />Plaster board to the Loft conversion velux windows</p><p>Looking more like a room and getting neater all the time<br /><br /></p><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234784947927960370" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhW4Jm09YUHc7SFxWkDQFJOHJjTJGyu9TswfR7JvS5oLU5Czj2EoKHn3PyykPAvAlcemezZf555if0KFw9qUmy3YEf2ulMprFXokohe1Qa5eviO3bicAuTPwXroxtut-ohyphenhyphenOilPRZiAQqs/s400/015+plaster+board.JPG" /><br /><br />Lots of screws - at about 300mm centres to hopefully avoid any cracks aphearing in the finished plaster . This pic shows the wiring in an labeledAndy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-21630349777801326842008-03-10T17:26:00.001+00:002011-03-14T18:45:15.219+00:00Chance to catch upNow I might have chance to catch up with progress because I've finished the room, got most of the stairs constructed and Emma has moved in. This was another deadline I'd set that I manged to meet (well to within a couple of days).<br />I'll shortly fill in the details of:<br />Plaster boarding/skiming<br />Finishing<br />Starting Electrics saga<br />Stair case buildingAndy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-777907437982884918.post-30291361353104681742008-03-10T17:17:00.004+00:002011-03-14T18:45:35.365+00:00Wiring for loft conversion Reminder<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKGIN8wWa3FN2XE6aV5QkcNc2eyZUUrsfviQcl6nugav2sWMbOIWPN66ay2swOQqFnAQbDMnly7Bt_s6UuqLbXcwOP0X88TKKDz82S6UPG6Yljc2V9n9EthvYdAJ_RGiZutXPUxLhTol8/s1600-h/12+wiring+1.jpg"><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5176164041358788514" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKGIN8wWa3FN2XE6aV5QkcNc2eyZUUrsfviQcl6nugav2sWMbOIWPN66ay2swOQqFnAQbDMnly7Bt_s6UuqLbXcwOP0X88TKKDz82S6UPG6Yljc2V9n9EthvYdAJ_RGiZutXPUxLhTol8/s400/12+wiring+1.jpg" /></a><br /><br /><div>Thought it best to record in photos where the wiring in stud wall goes. This was whilst I was plaster boarding it all out.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; DISPLAY: block; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5176164492330354610" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZ9djKDVW9sZ1ECHo3EUVaOEN4nQRyhFAu-txeCJvtrUdYFJpz8KsV9kunza-XcdAR9Ch6Gxy5_ITZJLF5G4huVN6iFWkRp4hFxlXtYCMLmeoQA3n3N7kN7BXB5eVrFbbVxO27w0sdcOk/s400/13+wiring+2.jpg" /></div><br /><br />The photo also shows the aluminium foil tape I used to seal all the joints and edges of the insulation.Andy iDoStuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09604966138985182061noreply@blogger.com0